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Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?
Last post 07-22-2008 11:18 AM by gerdany. 12 replies.
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  • 05-26-2008 3:02 PM

    Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    Here's a link to a netted collar a friend is trying to identify. To me, it looks African but I'm no expert. The white triangles are more densely beaded than the rest of the piece.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/citlali/2524506227/in/photostream/ 

    Thanks for any  help you can provide.

    Penny
     

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  • 05-27-2008 12:02 AM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

     I do not recognize the pattern but, some years ago, I had some very similar collars from Afghanistan. Doesn't mean that's where this one is from but it could be.

    By the way, you can post a picture here that is hosted on flickr.com using [ img] and [ /img] tags around it.

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  • 05-27-2008 11:53 AM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    Thanks for the info, both about the collar and adding images! I see there's even an "add image" button on the message toolbar.

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  • 06-17-2008 11:40 AM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    My guess is Panama as it's so similar to a collar that was gifted to me from a doctor that's from Panama.

     

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  • 06-17-2008 12:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

     Thanks, Liz ... an acquaintance who owns the collar also guessed Panama but she wasn't sure and posted the photo and question on flickr. I figured this was a good place to ask

    Penny 

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  • 06-22-2008 5:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    Hello!

    I grew up in the Canal Zone and this netted necklace looks very much like ones from Panama.  I have (2), one much like this pattern but in yellow and white seed beads and the other one is multi-colored but a very different pattern.  They are quite heavy and strung on monofilament with any visible ends exposed to a flame to make a secure end.  The closure is a simple hook-and-eye like those used in garment sewing.

    Hope this helps

    Quilter Sammy

  • 07-09-2008 4:39 AM In reply to

    • LAPERLA
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    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

     In my opinion, it is a typical russian necklace. Go and have a look on the website of "varvara", one of their  greatest creators, you'll find her netted necklaces.

    I'm related to russian forums and this is a kind of necklace i often see their.

     

    But I can imagine with some beautiful colors that it looks like the necklaces of certain African tribes.

     

    Rita Laperla 

     


  • 07-09-2008 11:38 AM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    A close examination of the collar would be required to confirm this, but it appears to be worked in a type of brick stitch, not netting [see the horizontal beads at the intersections of the weave?].  If so, if might be an Ecuadorian Saraguro collar.

     http://www.saraguro.org/beadwork2.htm

    The way the beadwork is suspended from the initial string of beads also looks very Sararuro to me, although the color combination doesn't seem to be - that looks more Zulu!  But I don't know whether the Panamanian collars are also worked in the same manner as the Saraguro "Llano" collars.

    Again, the weave would have to be examined closely to determine the actual technique used. If it is in fact not netting, that would eliminate African or Russian beadwork. 

     

  • 07-09-2008 4:09 PM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

     Thanks, Sammy, Rita and Chris. I'll ask the owner to verify whether or not it's netting. I see what you mean about the top row, Chris. I'll point her to the saraguaro collars, too, for comparison.

     Penny
     

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  • 07-09-2008 4:38 PM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    Penny -

     Here's a couple of pics of the Guaymi collars in Panama:

    http://www.serve.com/CZBrats/Photos/chaquira.jpg

    http://info.bahai.org/article-1-8-1-18.html [scroll down to the great photo of the Guaymi man wearing a spectacular collar]

  • 07-09-2008 5:09 PM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    It looks like a toss-up as to where the collar in question originated.  It would take an expert/anthropologist on the subject of which country produces which patterns.   Being a CZBrat myself I would say both the Ecuadoreans and Panamanians make remarkably similar jewelry.  My necklaces look like any/all of these. 

    Adelante!

    quilter sammy

  • 07-22-2008 12:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    This looks like Ukrainian collars I've seen in many of my beadweaving books.  The thing is...  The designer/creator could have done their own modifications in color ways and stitch play which could be throwing ALL of us off on the origination of the piece.... I mean, really, let's face it designers.  It could have been created to do no more than cover a spot on the collor of a favorite blouse during hard times.  Us women do many things to look just right with only a little money and a lot of elbow grease, if necessary.

     Hope you find out. It's lovely.  Vickie  < VMOriginals > St. Louis MO.

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  • 07-22-2008 11:18 AM In reply to

    Re: Africa? Panama? Where is this collar from?

    Although most of the collar is made using net weave the top portion is made using a combination of net weave and probably peyote. This definitely rules out Ukrainian collars since they are usually created using net weave. In some regions of Ukraine the top portion is done using right angle weave and the netted portion is attached to it. 

    Although Varvara does some very beautiful and creative work using net weave to create collars this type of work is not traditionally Russian.  These are contemporary artwork.

    I own a collar that is similar to the one pictured even though mine has more pattern and more colors on it. The work and stitches used are almost identical. The friend who gave me this collar said it was from Panama 

     

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